Pantheism & Religious Arguments


Contents
Introduction
Pantheistic Approach to Divinity
Faith
Purpose of Life
On the Subject of Free Will 🔧
Criticism of the God Hypothesis
Core Problems with Christianity

Introduction
Bill is a rather skeptical and atheistic-style believer in divinity, trying to keep supporting arguments for such a thing rational. Revan believes the simulation hypothesis describes existence perfectly, even if no sophisticated mind is controlling the machine. We've had several discussions on the subject, have come to agree that our views are not mutually exclusive, and have even explored how to make the two philosophies more compatible. We need to finish our newly added section on free will, which historically goes against both of our philosophies, yet we still hold onto the idea of it with conviction.

If you're looking for straight-forward and easily read articles on reflection in spirituality and mentality, this probably isn't the page. As an alternative, be sure to check out our internet neighbor In Torpor, whose style is much more human and less suggestive of a conclusion.

Includes relevant Stargate SG-1 memes.

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Pantheistic Approach to Divinity
Not to be confused with a pantheon, pantheism is the belief that divinity isn't separate from creation and, to state it another way, all of existence itself, cosmos, has consciousness. It is a philosophy, not a religion, and therefore it is possible to be pantheistic and both religious and non-religious. Currently, belief in pantheism means to ascribe to the philosophy permeating most modern esoterism that in the beginning, before time there was void, and void formed itself into existence simultaneously with the first sound/vibration or "thought" as some call it. It asserts that to exist outside of existence by definition is impossible, so it follows that divinity is all things, the light, the darkness, life, the sacred and the worthless alike, and even all the things that you would doctrinally consider evil, as opposed to some entity floating around apart from or within yet separate from the cosmos. Alternatively stated, divinity can be cipher of nothing.

Consequently, whether or not one believes in the quiddity called "God," the subject in question is the cosmos and therefore the same thing, though specifically with the postulation here being existence itself having consciousness we fail to understand. Counter to the argument is a quote by Christopher Hitchens, "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." This irrefutable statement challenges the entire argument, yet at the same time cannot discredit the notion with any known observation. Herein lies the doxastic basis for understanding how a thing would exist, and thus the hypothesis should be entertained until proven either way.

One view leading here is that organic life forms are conscious, and also confined to the rules of physics, acting in a sense as electrochemomechanical entities. Smaller and smaller components can be considered as conscious in some form. Although countless particles behave in a predictable way, they act nonetheless, a result of consciousness. They are partitions of space and function throughout time, so then all things and spacetime itself can be viewed as conscious. While this is a weak argument, it is one that leads to the concept of divinity uncontaminated by religious contortion. Furthermore, it is worth noting that some people, namely sociopaths, only view people as machines, so the authenticity of the concept of consciousness existing at all has been questioned on a fundamental level. In response and with the said philosophy, it can be argued that either all things as a whole either are or are not conscious. This appertains to all computers from even the simplest calculator to the most sophisticated artificial intelligence.

How one chooses to look at it is only a further reach of existence, so for example, assenting to either polar extreme of esoterism or modern nihilism compares to viewing two sides of the same coin, much in the same way voting left or right wing is for the same bird. Although in this matter, accepting a unique view would facilitate some form of conscious evolution while still living in our current state of being. The user Red Monaca on another site addresses a precursor to this in discussing what our senses and technology cannot perceive here, stating that "perspective is a horizon" and arguing that anything outside of it is essentially unknowable. We must push the horizon farther out on both a social and personal level in the same way we explored and discovered new continents before electricity.

All things have a beginning where all was one, an infinitesimal point in space and time observable only in the inception of time. The change in the size of our universe is merely discernible, and appears to expand in a reference frame only perceivable from "inside of it." This statement neither favors nor strays from the claim that all things are still connected. Notwithstanding the limitation, if the universe were truly apart from itself, then the laws of physics would vary depending on location, a phenomenon yet observed. While secluded in a corner of spacetime with the inability to see far away objects much more closely, only the current understanding is surmisable that the same physics apply everywhere until proven otherwise. In reverberation, this allows for the assertion of the thesis stating that all things are connected. Expansion happens with matter and thought only in interaction while still being tied to their supersets, i.e. space and mind, subsequently forming apparent partitions of a whole, since infinitesimal fundamentally cannot be divided.

Ironically, this has led to arguments that the divine is alone and existence always remains on the edge of non-existence. The former would imply that lifeforms only exist as the divine's imaginary friends, similar to a dissociated configuration of solipsism. This has been discredited as an incoherent philosophy, starting with assuming the conclusion as true without investigation into its veracity. The latter would mean the denial of the spacetime manifold as something, which we know exists because we have observed the movement of space itself.

Some argue specifically that everything is as the divine envisioned it, which would mean that all of reality, inclusive of the future, exists within the divine mind, as opposed to being the divine mind itself. Furthermore to this reasoning, this version of dualism has led to the modern belief that the spirit behind creation is the love for existence, leading to its creation. However, the assertion that existence is an experiment for the mind to learn both questions the former and can complement the latter. If everything is in perfect harmony with a supreme vision and the strings are being pulled in GodMode, then every action is pointless and nothing is learned. In other words, if fate is already written, then anything anyone does is neither their own responsibility, nor meaningful to their own experience, inclusive of cosmic consciousness.

Trying to understand a cosmic consciousness, our sub-planetary sized minds will open doors for logical fallacies when taking into account our low elevation for such thought. For example in honor of fellow nerds, when calculating an orthogonal value in 2D vector spaces, the vector product is inaccessible since it only functions in 3 and 7 dimensions. The logic is there, but we cannot use it because those dimensions are outside the field in question, and therefore the logic might as well not exist to us. On our current level of reality, with our inability to answer questions as simple as whether or not certain particles even exist, we could not currently hope to understand cosmic consciousness or divinity in its entirety, if it exists. So it appears that with our limited capabilities, expanding our horizons with logical and obersvational trial and error in search for it will be the only plausible course of action to acheive a higher field of vision for divine nature, one that will only lead us through a slow stair step process. Which leads us into the subject of faith.

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Faith
Let's start with qualities in people that aren't really faith, but act as a way to derail any true path to enlightenment, beginning with the worst form of escapism. Although some would consider faith as believing in something in spite of contradictory evidence, this is actually the definition of delusion. Faith is the belief in something unproven, which can be refined in light of learned evidence. Delusion and faith are separated only by the fine line on which side one would fall when either accepting or experiencing cognitive dissonance against a fact that would alter said faith.

A person's being and how one chooses to live is one's nature and decision alone - so long as it does not result in the harm or harassment of another. This is stated out of necessity because faith tends to shape morals and ethics for many, that some then try to enforce on others, which can lead to harassment and harm. This is a form of authoritarianism through thought control misconstrued as faith.

Lastly on the subject of problems with faith is the justification of irresponsible actions, using it or assumed intentions and morals of the divine to deny (ongoing) faults and wrongdoings. Laterally, it is possible for some to become so "high on God" that one may experience a misleading sense that they are no longer in control of their actions, or that they operate as a vessel for "God's will." Others would pretend to have achieved a height of spirituality for the purpose of absolving themselves of responsibility when confronted by peers. These scenarios match the traits found in narcissism and psychopathy respectively, two conditions in convolution with separate types of dysregulation.

Although many more hairs may be split, this is in summary my naming of the unholy trinity against real faith; delusion, authoritarianism, and irresponsibility - all due to a sense of entitlement, in which cases having no faith would be better. Having faith would require diligence in knowing oneself to avoid falling into one of these holes, and only then could one reach a veritable state of revelation.

Faith in the divine is no different than imagination in science fiction or speculation in theoretical physics. Science fiction franchises such as Star Trek have entertained the possibilities of technologies that did not exist at the time of their making, which in turn influenced many technological creations now a reality. With older models of particles, newer ones were discovered as predicted. Belief in the divine should be scientific in approach so that it could lead to an authentic discovery in the same way we discovered space flight and cell phones because of early science fiction and physics models. With the supposition of divinity existing, we can ask why we think this and explore insinuated points, validating or discrediting details which would narrow the argument into a more real and rational context.

Faith is healthy when had in sound mind and rationality. It must be held with a productive purpose of improving oneself. It must be held close to rationality for it to be productive. When used with love, compassion and empathy, the spirit of these things can reveal itself, causing one to become more loving and accepting, and with it a fulfilling sense of grace.

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Purpose of Life
According to some modern ideologies of pantheistic esoterism, it is the purpose of every individual to experience existence from a unique point of view through consequences, and in this divinity learns through the learning experiences of its partitions. This is much in the same way that gestalt large language models learn from humans, only on an unfathomable scale. Some have concluded from this thought that the purpose of it forming itself was no more than experimentation for learning initially. Imagine a light shining through a perforated surface onto a wall. In this context, the divine would be the source of light, and the individual points on the wall would be conscious beings as we understand them, or souls as some would prefer. Rightfully, one might question the validity of these statements by asking how it can be true if so many people, animals, bacteria, etc. on earth alone are essentially doing the same things as many others with too many individual lifeforms to accurately count. Acquiescence to this logic while embracing modern esoterism sounds difficult and appealing, a hard-to-swallow pill. However, in response, others can disagree and say that it is learning through every possible angle.

Mystery schools around the globe were created with definitive methods for the purpose of reunion with divine consciousness. Many of them incorporated older pagan beliefs. In some older pagan ideologies, systems of thought were developed to understand consciousness and strengthen the spirit geometrically, using focus of the individual mind and sensing any form of connection with the divine. Although they are pseudoscientific in nature and primarily rooted in spiritual assumptions built on assumptions, the methods governing their logic and direction were, granted the centuries in which they were nascent, more scientifically-minded in trying to understand how they relate to consciousness. They are systems such as alchemy, astrology, the Kabalistic Tree of Life, high ceremonial magick, tarot, and Kundalini. They have since been bastardized by modern trivialization and fused with bizarre trends, so try to refrain from associating them with TV/TikTok psychics, conspiracy theorists, frauds, and ignorant, biased individuals. Instead, try looking inside the book cover, and think of learning how to understand their presumed 'truths' as attempting to simplify the path of a labyrinth.

In Buddhism, the belief is that we are perpetually reincarnated until we can reach a stage of enlightenment. By letting go of desire entirely and connecting with the divine, we remove ourselves from the suffering caused by life. In this context, life is regarded as a burden, a series of want, rather than a blessing, wherein the only purpose is to reach enlightenment.

In modern Christianity, our purpose is to bring glory to God and worship him as a condition for preparing us for a better permanent residence. This sounds evil to a non-Christian, much like the false promises of the Goa'uld and the Ori, whose only requirements from their slaves were obedience and love. Nonetheless, doing as you're told by the word is perceived as a small price to pay for better conditions in eternal life and bliss. Many other religions follow the same logic with different mythos.

Luciferians believe that worshipping God is a means of giving him more power, and by not worshipping God, who withholds divine knowledge from everyone else, but instead giving credit to Lucifer and Lilith for wanting to give divine knowledge to us, they will offer their protection to us from God's enslavement/punishment as we take the path to evolve into gods ourselves. It should be noted that Christianity and Luciferianism are not mutually opposites, and that Luciferianism is not theistic Satanism. Rather, despite some major differences, Luciferianism has many parallels with Wicca wherein analogy can form a solid understanding of it.

The common theme between all of these is the heightened desire for a means of conscious evolution, or as most prefer to call it, spiritual growth. While many with different mythos don't agree on which rules to follow or where they guide the student, they all have a common theme for desire to be filled with divinity and knowledge, to reach a state of being it has to offer, and to be accepted into some next realm of existence.

Although, some may take this message away, religious commonality doesn't imply truth. Whether or not life has a specific purpose doesn't matter when the inference of purpose is never given to us. No great spiritual force ever came forth and told the entirety of society to fulfill obligations. Even pantheism and esoterism, whether purely philosophical and introspective, or fused with physics in search for an objective truth, cannot be used to impose a quixotic purpose on any individual. Purpose is a choice only an individual can decide for oneself.

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Terok Nor a.k.a. Deep Space Nine near the Bajoran wormhole in Star Trek.

On the Subject of Free Will 🔧
When the nature of consciousness and existence is in question, in relation to it the subject arises for whether or not free will exists. Free will versus determinism has been a hard black-and-white debate for over a century. It exploded in popularity with the emergence of modern physics, wherein general relativity versus quantum mechanics initially sparked the fire. Curiously though, only philosophy concerning quantum mechanics applies to arguments regarding free will. This question may not necessarily have an answer that can be understood intelligibly. The answer over the horizon seems more fluid and mutable the more logic is introduced on both sides of the argument. Regardless, it should be considered and contemplated for understanding consciousness to deepen our comprehension of existence.

Determinism would be a overwhelming argument against free will if it were proven true, but if it were to be proven false, this is not a foundation for a free will argument. This is similar to the logic of the self-awareness test where scientists place a mirror in front of an animal to see if it will recognize its reflection. Passing the mirror test indicates self-awareness, but failing it does not indicate lack of self-awareness, because a number of factors play into why it was failed. So then, without assuming some field exists from which free will falls into our brains, the only tools we have to rely on for whether or not it exists right now is the nature of causality and how thought arises.

Individuals' circumstances and experiences differ, resulting in differences in their decision-making process from one another. Awareness of opportunities, constraints, and consequences play roles, as well as one's will and desires. It is unknown to people whether or not free will is gifted by some hard definition, but awareness is held of one's uniquely own thoughts and decisions regardless of their literal source. The influences are likely external unlike the thoughts themselves. Psychology and neuroscience can elucidate much of these systems of thought in the brain, pointing towards determinism, contrary to popular belief.

Quantum mechanics dictates that reality is not grounded in geometry as we understand it, blurring boundaries in causality with non-locality and superposition. This is known as indeterminism, the opposite of determinism, and it implies that at least within certain bounds and probability densities within those bounds, events may be completely random. Indeterminism has been a basis for free will arguments despite it being an entirely separate notion. It doesn't imply free will, because conscious entities as presently recognized cannot control quantum behavior or even choose which classical reality to observe from wave collapse, an event we can't actually accomplish without instruments anyways. According to physics, conscious life forms, including their brains, operate as apparatuses in and of known existence, subjected to its physics. Ergo, no physics leads to a strong argument for free will despite uncertainty being a factor, also contrary to popular belief.

It's crucial to challenge preconceived notions and explore alternative viewpoints. Various theories attempt to explain the origins of our actions, yet the concept of free will remains elusive and subjective, if it exists. Compatibilism attempts reconcile the ideas of free will with determinism by asserting that autonomous decisions are possible within the causal conditions which led to them. It's conceivable and appealing that free will versus determinism instead of being two abstractly perceived opposites, are a spectrum with degrees of each. The only problem with it is that determinism is assumed to be true, as many physicists will even assume. Let's not forget the contrasting elephant in the room, the indeterminism of quantum mechanics. While some hypothetical models of space on the smallest scales attempt to solidify determinism to explain the chaos, it hasn't been achieved, leaving that debate still open.

To be continued

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Criticism of the God Hypothesis
There are only two direct and strong anti-divinity arguments that are closely related to each other. One is that we invented the whole concept, which continues to hold as valid in itself, bearing in mind Hitchens as previously stated. The other is that experiencing divinity, or anything supernatural for that matter, results from either some form of schizophrenia or hallucinations in general, especially if it is drug induced.

On that note, it is important to point out that psychedelic drugs can help open new ways of thinking, which can be spiritual when broadening one's understandings, however drug-induced experiences should not be considered serious since the drug is in control of the mind and not the other way around as it is in meditation. It has been allegedly observed that psychedelics and meditation have similar effects on the brain, and also argued that although psychedelics produce the illusion of a spiritual awakening, they also hinder the process after the desired effects have faded.

The existence of divinity has neither been proven nor disproven, so belief and perspective one way or the other is entirely up to the individual, with reasonable conjecture to either claim. Psychology plays a major role in a person's belief for inclination in believing one way or another given their experiences and biases. Some problems emerge out of biases as they commonly lead to erroneous conclusions instead of informed closure. Sources of criticism towards the pro-divinity arguments are often in the conclusions themselves. Let us consider the following scenarios commonly held as objects of indirect and weaker anti-divinity arguments: None of these are valid reasons for believing in the supreme being, however none of them are valid points as anti-divinity arguments either, since they point to the faults of ignorant people and not the pro-divinity argument. Unfortunately for everyone else, the symptoms of these points are witch hunts, book burning/banning, crusades, and people like Todd Kincannon. It is important to refrain from judging divinity's existence based on the temperaments, views, and actions of others. If behavioral faults or delusional claims discredit the credence of an individual, then it is also true that the individual doesn't speak for divinity.

Some believers argue that life is meaningless and that a person is absent of morals without "a higher power." These arguments are tired. Belief in divinity is not a requirement to know that life is a blessing, to know how to be a good person, and to find a purpose in one's life. Alternatively stated, if one needs to find a moral construct in the solace of an idol, then something is profoundly wrong with them psychologically. Given the points outlined in the section on faith and the ones here, one may find a better understanding of whether they are faithful or critical without the disillusionment of misattributes.

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Core Problems with Christianity
First things first, this section is not intended to dismiss or disrespect the teachings of Jesus. It is intended as a counterattack for the manipulation and abuse thereof. Let us forego negative traits judged against malpracticing Christians since everyone has already heard them and focus on the construct itself.

The New Testament was found long after the events of Jesus' time, with the books' discoveries ranging up to 367 AD, and some of the books being said to have been written as late as 115 AD. It was 331 AD when Constantine felt Christianity would better unite the Roman people with its control, so he set up a council to hand pick which books would be in the new canon. Following, it was then repeatedly translated until reaching the King James Version, and now having some differences in the text depending on for which church it is used. A Revised Version has been translated directly from the original texts, however many Gospels remain excluded from the canon. Knowing this alone begs the question of how the New Testament itself can be a credible source of information within its own religion.

On the scale of Christianity's weaponization by the Holy Roman Empire and Catholic Church, followed by other extremist organizations such as the Puritans and Westboro Baptists, imagining the teachings of Jesus as loving God and your neighbor being the two greatest commandments (Mark 22:37-40) is difficult. Such a link is posted here because awareness of its continued existence needs to be spread; ignoring the problem will only make it worse. Christians in general need to understand that this is how non-Christians tend to project onto them before choosing how to communicate their beliefs. Similarly, non-Christians need to understand that not all Christians are institutionalized by a church and/or psychotic, and some would rather try to understand Jesus directly.

Fundamentalists forget that the New Testament is centered around the teachings of Jesus, part of which is invalidating the practices of the Old Testament. Bible thumpers still attach themselves to things that don't matter, as they aren't applicable to faith in Jesus. Keeping and referencing the Old Testament leads to serious issues such as creating most of the contradictions found in the Bible. Let us also consider that only 24 books in the Old Testament correspond with the Hebrew Tanakh, and the remaining books (15-25 depending on the version) showed up during the augmentation of the New Testament.

Another problem arises when Christian "scientists" will try to use "science" to explicate obsolete perceptions of the world throughout the Bible in a meticulous attempt to prove it's texts verbatim as claims of absolute truth. The logic they use is cherry picking from observation at best. For example, flat-earthers will state that the alternative explanation to gravity is the momentum of the Earth's upward movement, simultaneously denying and accepting different facets of physics. Meanwhile, the problem with this idea in the first place is the misapprehension of Bible verses concerning the four corners of the world as being literal and concluding it as flat, when this was a minor choice of words and not the point of the verses in their entirety.

Certainly accepting all of this can lead to complications in one's religion. Is it possible to question all this and still be a modern Christian? Sure. It is important to remember that Jesus is a guide in a way of life, that the Bible was written and used by humans, and that churches do not own the belief.

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Updated December 2024
Bill Liam East & Revan Rose East
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